A peek (perhaps) into Riley's past
A couple of weeks ago, as I think I mentioned, we bought two canine DNA kits. Swabbing the inside of the gum and cheek of a wolverine puppy was not easy; she bucked and ducked and tried to bite the swab. But I think we got something and we stuck it in the special tube and stuck it in the special envelope and mailed it off.
The second kit was for the Wild Boy; he has never liked anyone messing with any part of his head (the time he had an eye infection and we were supposed to administer eye drops--well, let's just say we're lucky that it cleared up on its own). He bucked and leaped and thrashed and we did our best and mailed off that swab, too.
We have always told people that he's springer-Lab-coonhound, and sometimes we toss beagle in there, too. Our reasoning: he's speckled, like a springer; he has a short, sleek Lab-like coat (and I think every dog in Minnesota is cut with Lab anyway), and the coonhound comes from his coonhound-like face and the fact that he races up the sides of trees, as coonhounds do. We add beagle sometimes because he sort of has beagle ears. And all of these breeds are prey-driven creatures, and Riley is very, very prey-driven.
But we have never known for sure. And once Rosie joined the family and we saw that she looked absolutely nothing like her Aussie-cattle dog-blue heeler mother--nothing at all--we were very curious about the father. Possibly Lab, but she also has something sort of pit-bullish about the shape of her head. (And could I love a pit bull? Well, if it turns out that this what she is, then yes, we already do love a pit bull.)
On Thursday, I got an e-mail from the lab: Riley's results are in. I was pretty excited to click on the link, and then completely baffled when I read the results.
On one parent's side (let's say the mom, though they don't specify): the mom's great-grandparents come from Border collie parents on one side, mysterious mixed breed on the other; mom's grandparents come from Border collie on one side, mixed breed on the other; mom comes from Border collie and mixed breed.
The other parent--I'm saying the dad--comes from border collie and shetland sheepdog great-grandparents, and the same for the grandparents and the dad.
So Riley, they say, is Border collie mix mixed with Border collie-aussie mix.
And those mysterious mixed breeds?
They say that he's 11 percent Havanese; and then less than 5 percent of collie, shih tzuh, dacschund and Bernese mountain dog. Given that as a puppy he was terrified of Bernese mountain dogs--there was a Bernese training class that immediately followed his obedience class, and he had to run the gantlet of those gigantic dogs every time we left the school, and each time he screamed and quivered--this is rather ironic.
But is it accurate? I look at these dogs and I see nothing but herders. He has never exhibited any herding instincts, but is purely prey-driven. None of these have speckles, or run up trees. I'm scratching my head, wondering if somehow Riley was hoarding a bit of Boscoe's DNA inside his gum and that's what we picked up on the swab.
So now we await Rosie's results with even more interest. If they don't mention the breeds that we know her mother to be, then we have wasted $100. If they do mention those breeds, then we have been giving Riley short shrift all these years. Doug has already taken to calling him "the Border collie" with a grave new respect. (Or maybe he's teasing.) If Riley knows the truth, he's not saying a word.
UPDATE: Huh---Google shows me that there is such a thing as a speckled Border collie. The plot thickens....




















22 comments:
Border Collies are genius dogs, we had several of them at the pound with us. Maggie is part Shetland Shepdog. She's a sweetie.
Let us know!
--Maggie & Logan
yes, they are! boscoe, who died in January, was a border collie and never was there a smarter dog.
Have you got a pic of Rosie's mom, Laurie?
this is very interesting....I have a Catahoula/Sharpei/who knows what else cross who is the bestest dog I have ever owned....may have to try this. Riley? Riley has just been laying low all this time waiting his turn to live up to your now higher expectations. We all know Border Collies are brilliant and we all know that Labs, while lovable and kind and generous, are not the brightest crayons in the box. Show 'em, Riley!
Can't wait for Rosie's results!
Hertzel, I have heard those tests are legit, spot on in fact. The company that founded the test are the same people that created the MARS Bar, candy bar line.
I am thinking I might get the test for my little Deedle-Deedle....
9 parts Chihuahua
1 part Devil
LOL, have a good weekend.
Robyn, yes, you can see a picture of Rosie's mom and siblings here:
http://lifewiththreedogs.blogspot.com/2012/04/rosies-heritage.html
I can't believe the size of Rosie!!!
Ansa is about 95% border collie and a smarter dog I've never met.
I mean hand signals for everything.
And I've seen her with a herd of cattle.
I kinda distrust what they say Reilly is. He's too smart...
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Hi there, I think I told you that I always wanted to do that with past pups we had. I'm glad you did it and will be interested to see if they got Rosie right on. I know you can have it done with people too-tracing the roots back but I've heard it is pretty general-like saying your great great grandparents came from Europe. Thanks for sharing this with us; I find it intriguing.
Have a great weekend.
Noreen
I would be gappy with Riley's outcome if I were you. And he and Boscoe did look alike an awful lot.
So glad you did the test..some of Rileys shyness is typical Sheltie behavior. I used to raise Shelties and if they are not socialized from the time they are born they can be a big pain in the neck. Chance is a purebred Border Collie and he has those speckled spots on his legs just like Riley. We have a Berner that lives next door..I would never have guessed that Riley was related:)
This so so cool you have an option of doing this
Benny & Lily
How intriguing. Wonder what Rosies outcome will be?
I can see the border collie in Riley. Plus I think that prey instinct is part of herding behavior. Maybe Riley just doesn't have enough border-collie-ness to launch into full blown herding mode! Tonka is a cattle dog/Aussie mix but I rarely see herding behavior in him, and he also has strong prey instincts.
How interesting! Will be anxious to see how Rosie's results come in!
Karen & the Hounds
Very interesting. I would have guessed some Border Collie lay in his background.
Look forward to Rosie's pedigree.
Love the picture of the two of them together, what faces!!
Genetics is fascinating. And I think Riley looks like he knows a lot more than he's saying!
I did the test on Java and it seems kind of accurate but there are breeds not covered by the test, one of which I think she Java is. I don't think I'll bother with latte as I'm not sure I'll like what I might find out.
Rosie is getting huge! All I did was blink and she grew.
I love Riley's history and look forward to hearing Rosie's.
Nice blog!
Here's a page from the Arizona Border Collie Rescue website that describes the variations of body characteristics of Border Collies.
Riley has looked to me to be a short coat BC in there somewhere. And BC's do come in "freckles" :)
http://azbordercollierescue.com/bordercollies.asp
Leslie, that's amazing! Riley looks so much like the short-coat border named Jack. I had no idea there were short-coat border collies. Wow. Thanks for the link.
If you want to sound knowledgeable, you can say Smooth and Rough when describing the coats of collies. Lassie is a black and tan rough.
I've only seen three smooth Border Collies in person. I have only seen ONE smooth Collie. They just don't seem to be common around here. Here is Minnesota, in case you've forgotten my name. Personally, I love the smooth. I prefer shorthaired dogs. Mats...I don't like dealing with mats.
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